# US 2025/0158769 A1 · Method for reducing sounding overhead by shortening trigger-based physical layer protocol data unit duration for trigger-based implicit feedback, and associated apparatus > Agents: this data is available as JSON from the patentgrep API and MCP server — see https://patentgrep.com/llms.txt - Number: US 2025/0158769 A1 - Document ID: US20250158769A1 - Status: Published application - Kind: A1 - Application number: 18/939,453 - Filed: 2024-11-06 - Published: 2025-05-15 - Earliest claimed: 2023-11-13 - Assignees: Mediatek Inc. - Applicants: Mediatek Inc. - Inventors: Ming-Hsiang Tseng; Cheng-En Hsieh; Hao-Chih Yu; Tzu-Hao Yu - Web page: https://patentgrep.com/patent/US20250158769A1 ## CPC - H04L 5/005: {of common pilots, i.e. pilots destined for multiple users or terminals} - H04B 7/0617: {for beam forming} - H04B 7/0639: {Using selective indices, e.g. of a codebook, e.g. pre-distortion matrix index [PMI] or for beam selection} - H04L: TRANSMISSION OF DIGITAL INFORMATION, e.g. TELEGRAPHIC COMMUNICATION (arrangements common to telegraphic and telephonic communication H04M) - H04B: TRANSMISSION ## Abstract A method for reducing sounding overhead by shortening TB-PPDU duration for trigger-based implicit feedback and associated apparatus are provided, where a non-AP STA device is wirelessly linking to an AP device, and a number of sounding dimension of the non-AP STA device is less than a maximum number of spatial streams of the AP device. The method may include: transmitting a first frame regarding TB-sounding as well as a trigger frame, with at least one field of at least one frame among the first frame and the trigger frame being set to shorten the TB-PPDU duration; and receiving a sounding feedback having the TB-PPDU duration to be the trigger-based implicit feedback, for use of generating a beamforming steering matrix for transmission beamforming, wherein the at least one field is set to shorten a time for receiving a useless part within the sounding feedback, for reducing the sounding overhead. ## Claims ### Claim 1 A method for reducing sounding overhead by shortening trigger-based (TB) physical layer (PHY) protocol data unit (PPDU) duration (TB-PPDU duration) for trigger-based implicit feedback, wherein a non-access-point station (non-AP STA) device is wirelessly linking to an access point (AP) device, and a number of sounding dimension of the non-AP STA device is less than a maximum number of spatial streams of the AP device, the method comprising: transmitting a first frame regarding TB-sounding as well as a trigger frame, with at least one field of at least one frame among the first frame and the trigger frame being set to shorten the TB-PPDU duration; and receiving a sounding feedback having the TB-PPDU duration to be the trigger-based implicit feedback, for use of generating a beamforming steering matrix for transmission beamforming, wherein the at least one field is set to shorten a time for receiving a useless part within the sounding feedback, for reducing the sounding overhead. ### Claim 2 (depends on 1) The method of claim 1, wherein the number of sounding dimension of the non-AP STA device is less than or equal to a first predetermined value, and the maximum number of spatial streams of the AP device is greater than the first predetermined value, wherein the first predetermined value is greater than or equal to four. ### Claim 3 (depends on 1) The method of claim 1, wherein the first frame is implemented as a null data PPDU (NDP) announcement (NDPA), and the at least one field comprises at least one subfield of at least one station information (STA Info) field within the NDPA. ### Claim 4 (depends on 3) The method of claim 3, wherein the at least one subfield of the at least one STA Info field within the NDPA comprises one or a combination of a partial bandwidth information (BW Info) subfield, a feedback type and number of subcarrier grouping (Ng) subfield, a codebook size subfield and a number of columns (Nc) subfield. ### Claim 5 (depends on 1) The method of claim 1, wherein the trigger frame is implemented as a beamforming report poll (BFRP), and the at least one field comprises at least one subfield of at least one information (Info) field within the BFRP. ### Claim 6 (depends on 5) The method of claim 5, wherein the at least one Info field comprises a common Info field and at least one user Info field; and the at least one subfield of the at least one Info field within the BFRP comprises one or a combination of an uplink (UL) length subfield of the common Info field, a guard interval (GI) and long training field (LTF) type subfield of the common Info field, an UL modulation and coding scheme (MCS) subfield of any user Info field among the at least one user Info field and a spatial streams (SS) allocation subfield of the any user Info field. ### Claim 7 (depends on 1) The method of claim 1, wherein the at least one field is set to make at least one communication behavior indicated by the at least one field regarding the sounding feedback be minimized, in order to shorten the time for receiving the useless part within the sounding feedback. ### Claim 8 (depends on 7) The method of claim 7, wherein the at least one field comprises a first field, and the at least one communication behavior comprises a first communication behavior indicated by the first field, wherein: if the first communication behavior has a positive correlation with the first field, a first field value of the first field is minimized, in order to shorten the time for receiving the useless part within the sounding feedback; and if the first communication behavior has a negative correlation with the first field, the first field value of the first field is maximized, in order to shorten the time for receiving the useless part within the sounding feedback. ### Claim 9 (depends on 1) The method of claim 1, wherein a field value of any field among the at least one field is set to make a communication behavior indicated by the any field correspond to a minimized value, in order to shorten the time for receiving the useless part within the sounding feedback. ### Claim 10 (depends on 9) The method of claim 9, wherein: if the any field represents a partial bandwidth information (BW Info) subfield of at least one STA information (STA Info) field within the first frame which is implemented as a null data PPDU (NDP) announcement (NDPA), and the first communication behavior represents a partial bandwidth indicated by the partial BW Info subfield, the field value of the any field is set to make the partial bandwidth be minimized, in order to shorten the time for receiving the useless part within the sounding feedback; if the any field represents a feedback type and number of subcarrier grouping (Ng) subfield of the at least one STA Info field within the first frame which is implemented as the NDPA, and the first communication behavior represents a subcarrier grouping result corresponding to a Ng indicated by a first predetermined bit in the feedback type and Ng subfield, the field value of the any field is set to make the Ng indicated by the first predetermined bit be maximized, for minimizing the subcarrier grouping result having a negative correlation with the Ng, in order to shorten the time for receiving the useless part within the sounding feedback; if the any field represents a codebook size subfield of the at least one STA Info field within the first frame which is implemented as the NDPA, and the first communication behavior represents a codebook size indicated by a second predetermined bit in the codebook size subfield, the field value of the any field is set to make the codebook size be minimized, in order to shorten the time for receiving the useless part within the sounding feedback; and if the any field represents a number of columns (Nc) subfield of the at least one STA Info field within the first frame which is implemented as the NDPA, and the first communication behavior represents a Nc indicated by the Nc subfield, the field value of the any field is set to make the Nc be minimized, in order to shorten the time for receiving the useless part within the sounding feedback. ### Claim 11 (depends on 10) The method of claim 10, wherein: if the any field represents the partial BW Info subfield, the partial bandwidth is equal to any bandwidth among a 20 MHz bandwidth (BW20) and a bandwidth of one resource unit (RU); if the any field represents the feedback type and Ng subfield, Ng=16; if the any field represents the codebook size subfield, the codebook size expressed with quantization resolution (ϕ, ψ)={7, 5}; and if the any field represents the Nc subfield, Nc=1. ### Claim 12 An access point (AP) device, for reducing sounding overhead by shortening trigger-based (TB) physical layer (PHY) protocol data unit (PPDU) duration (TB-PPDU duration) for trigger-based implicit feedback, the AP device comprising: a processing circuit, arranged to control operations of the AP device; and at least one communication control circuit, coupled to the processing circuit, arranged to perform communication control, wherein the at least one communication control circuit is arranged to perform wireless communication operations with at least one other device within a wireless communication system for the AP device, wherein a non-access-point station (non-AP STA) device is wirelessly linking to the AP device, and a number of sounding dimension of the non-AP STA device is less than a maximum number of spatial streams of the AP device; wherein: the AP device is arranged to transmit a first frame regarding TB-sounding as well as a trigger frame, with at least one field of at least one frame among the first frame and the trigger frame being set to shorten the TB-PPDU duration; and the AP device is arranged to receive a sounding feedback having the TB-PPDU duration to be the trigger-based implicit feedback, for use of generating a beamforming steering matrix for transmission beamforming, wherein the at least one field is set to shorten a time for receiving a useless part within the sounding feedback, for reducing the sounding overhead.